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#1 2008-07-14 07:48:37

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Should Alcohol Abusers Not be Treated for Pain?

Should Alcohol Abusers Not be Treated for Pain?
Alex DeLuca, M.D., MPH; Pain Crisis blog of the Pain Relief Network; 2008-07-14.
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It seems to me an uncivilized and insane notion that just because someone in current moderate to severe pain had a history of an alcohol or drug problem, or even a current substance abuse problem, that you would deny them opioid therapy if that was the best medication to relieve their suffering. But this seems to be a point of confusion that increasingly comes up from patients, doctors, and regulators alike. So, in this post, let me make the medical standard of care in this situation perfectly clear.

One way to become an “addiction medicine” specialist is to become American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) certified. Usually this is accomplished by attending a three day Certification Review Course, and then passing a written examination. Since the 1990’s, the ASAM Certification Review Course has included a lecture on the Management of Chronic Pain in the Patient with a History of Addiction, and in the 2000 course (I chaired the Review Course in 1998 and 2000) I selected Dr. Howard Heit (1), who has a national reputation as a medical educator and expert in addiction medicine and pain medicine, to give this important talk.

In his slide entitled: Patient Characteristics for Opioid Use in Chronic Nonmalignant Pain he emphasizes, “Active, or past history of, substance abuse is not a contraindiction to opioid pain management.” (2) Compare that to this statement from Washington state’s Agency Medical Directors Group (AMDG): “With active substance or alcohol abuse, providers should not prescribe opioids.” (3)

Huh!? So a person with alcohol abuse (like, 5-10 percent of the population by the usual criteria), who suffers severe chronic pain for which no other treatment has worked, should be left to writhe in preventable pain (and very likely drink more), by his physicians? Madness. Unbelievable. And very NOT the medical standard of care. Which is part of the reason the Pain Relief Network is suing WA.


Medical Society Consensus Statements:

The American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM), the American Academy of Pain Medicine (AAPM) and the American Pain Society (APS) have issued two Consensus Policy Statements that make very clear the position of the expert professional medical community on the use of opioid analgesics for the treatment of pain in a patient with a history of addiction or current behaviors perhaps indicative of current substance use disorder (DSM terminology). In Definitions Related to the Use of Opioids for the Treatment of Pain, 2001, they emphasizes the very important concept of pseudoaddiction:

“Pseudoaddiction is a term which has been used to describe patient behaviors that may occur when pain is undertreated. Patients with unrelieved pain may become focused on obtaining medications, may “clock watch,” and may otherwise seem inappropriately “drug seeking.” Even such behaviors as illicit drug use and deception can occur in the patient’s efforts to obtain relief. Pseudoaddiction can be distinguished from true addiction in that the behaviors resolve when pain is effectively treated.” [See also: Opioid Pseudoaddiction: An Iatrogenic Syndrome (4)]

The second of these consensus statements is entitled, Public Policy Statement on Rights and Responsibilities of Healthcare Professionals in the use of Opioids for the Treatment of Pain, and was approved in 2005 and updated in 2006. First they review the core ethical obligation of physicians to relieve pain, employing opioids as medically necessary. Second they very clearly state that despite the risks and difficulty and time required to care for often complicated patients, this caring is a MEDICAL act and, ultimately and properly, is the responsibility of the individual physician upholding the individual patients best interests:

“Healthcare professional (HCP) concerns regarding the potential for harm to patients, as well as possible legal, regulatory, licensing or other third party sanctions related to the prescription of opioids, contribute significantly to the mistreatment of pain. HCPs are obligated to act in the best interest of their patients. This action may include the addition of opioid medication to the treatment plan of patients whose symptoms include pain [and] opioids are often indicated as a component of effective pain treatment. It is sometimes a difficult medical judgment as to whether opioid therapy is indicated in patients complaining of pain because objective signs are not always present.

“A decision whether to prescribe opioids may be particularly difficult in patients with concurrent addictive disorders, or with risk factors for addiction, such as a personal or family history of addictive disorder. For such persons, exposure to potentially rewarding substances may reinforce drug taking behavior and therefore present special risks. It is, nonetheless, a medical judgment that must be made by a HCP in the context of the provider-patient relationship based on knowledge of the patient, awareness of the patient’s medical and psychiatric conditions and on observation of the patient’s response to treatment.”


Other Consensus Documents:

There is one Consensus Statement that achieved national attention, notoriety, and indeed infamy in medical circles in the first half of this decade. In 2004,the DEA itself, in collaboration with Last Acts Partnership, and the academically prestigious Wisconsin Pain & Policy Studies Group released, with great public fanfare, a document entitled, Prescription Pain Medications: Frequently Asked Question and Answers for Health Care Professional, and Law Enforcement Personnel (5) (aka The DEA FAQ). I will not review throughly here the history of what has been called, “The Amazing, Vanishing DEA FAQ.” (6) Several of those thirty Questions and Answers relate directly to the issue of prescribing opioid analgesics for the treatment of pain in patients with current or past substances use disorders:

Question 22. Is it legal and acceptable medical practice to prescribe long-term opioid therapy for pain to a patient with a history of drug abuse or addiction, including heroin addiction?

    “It is within the scope of current federal law to prescribe opioids for pain to patients with a history of substance abuse or addiction.” (As outlined above, Washington state law, circa 2004, was not more restrictive than federal law on this issue.)

Question 21. If a patient receiving opioid therapy engages in an episode of drug abuse, is the physician required by law to discontinue therapy or to report the patient to law enforcement authorities?

    “Federal drug laws do not require physicians to report to law enforcement authorities patients who have engaged in drug abuse. The controlling federal legal standard is that the physician must issue prescriptions for controlled substances only for legitimate medical purposes and in the usual course of medical practice.” … In states with no specific legal requirement on this subject, if continued opioid therapy makes medical sense, then the therapy may be continued, even if drug abuse has occurred.” (As outlined above, Washington state law, circa 2004, was not more restrictive than federal law on this issue.)

Question 26. Can methadone be used for pain control, and, if so, is a clinician required to have a special license to prescribe it?

    “Methadone is approved by the Food and Drug Administration as safe and effective for medical use as an analgesic… State and federal regulations do not restrict the use of methadone to treat pain.




Footnotes:


1.      Having worked with Dr. Heit for many years on various ASAM committees and efforts, I consider him a friend; he is a kind, intelligent man, a truly expert clinician, and a giant in the field of Addiction Medicine. Having said that, I think it is important to stress that Dr. Heit represents the conservative mainstream. In fact, he is best known as a proponent for what is know in the field as the “principle of balance,” which I am most definitely not, and for his efforts to work with DEA as if they were colleagues, for example on the infamous “DEA FAQ (PDF),” 2004, a strategy I believe has been tried and failed, repeatedly, over many decades. See also his peer-reviewed work, including “Dear DEA,” 2004, “Healthcare Professionals and the DEA: Trying to Get Back in Balance,” 2006, and “Universal Precautions in Pain Medicine,” 2006. This last approach I believe is ethically questionable because it essentially puts patients in a position of proving their innocence or worthiness to be cared for in order to satisfy drug war imperatives I believe are amoral and without a scientific / medical basis.

2.      Heit, H. Management of Chronic Pain in a Patient with a History of Addiction. Slide/Lecture given at the American Society of Addiction Medicine Certification Review Course; Course Chairman: DeLuca, A.; Chicago; 2000.

3.      Agency Medical Directors Group. Washington State’s New Guidelines for Opioids for Chronic Non-cancer Pain - Frequently Asked Questions (PDF). 2007-03-01.

4.      Weissman, D.F., & Haddox, J.D. Opioid pseudoaddiction: An iatrogenic syndrome.; Pain, 36, 363-366; 1989.

5.      DEA, Last Acts Partnership, and the Pain & Policy Studies Group (”Academic Pain Management and Law Enforcement Experts”). Prescription Pain Medications: Frequently Asked Question and Answers for Health Care Professional, and Law Enforcement Personnel (consensus document); 2004. (PDF)

6.      Borden, D. Now You See, Now You Don’t - The Amazing, Vanishing DEA FAQ. Drug War Chronicle; 2004-10-15.


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#2 2008-07-14 12:52:19

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Re: Should Alcohol Abusers Not be Treated for Pain?

Alex wrote:

Huh!? So a person with alcohol abuse (like, 5-10 percent of the population by the usual criteria), who suffers severe chronic pain for which no other treatment has worked, should be left to writhe in preventable pain (and very likely drink more), by his physicians? Madness. Unbelievable. And very NOT the medical standard of care.

Just as my mother died, thank you Alex for validating my mothers suffering and death.


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#3 2008-07-14 17:52:42

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Re: Should Alcohol Abusers Not be Treated for Pain?

bone--- both our mums were casualties (what is 'casual' about an unenviable death?) of failed protocols and bullshit care... nothing has been validated, merely confirmed--- the criminality has been confirmed... validation would mean a justice has been achieved, but we all know the odds of that...  sorry tam--- love you hon--- grieving too.....


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alex, thank you for this addition... i do not , cannot understand, why we are so expendable--- do these assholes not see the hammer that is waiting to descend on them as well? Old age is not a compassionate bitch...


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Re: Should Alcohol Abusers Not be Treated for Pain?

monkeyboy wrote:

alex, thank you for this addition... i do not , cannot understand, why we are so expendable--- do these assholes not see the hammer that is waiting to descend on them as well? Old age is not a compassionate bitch...

I don't know why, either, MB.

What's changed for me, only with the Schneider and Washington briefs this year, is that it suddenly dawns on me that it doesn't matter if They understand or not - They my politicians, my priests, my parents, or my physicians. Or the effin Govt.

Doesn't matter anymore if they understand or not, or what the eff they intended, or how dissembling they are in their journal articles, or how ineffectual their laws. Basta! (enough)

We'll See Them in Court (1), MB. (and in hell)

..alex...

Footnote:

(1)  So, hurray for the beginning of the end for the principle of balance as the only way to frame our issue! June 2008 marks a new era, in which the patients themselves enter the fray as primary actors re-framing the debate to one in which we see an opiobhopic culture, backed by governmental force, denying a vulnerable segment of the citizenry their civil liberties and access to the FDA approved medications they need to survive.

The new framework focuses on the rule of law, a matter for the courts - discriminated-against citizens vs the Govt, not ad-hoc working groups of cops and docs. This framework puts academic research and researchers back in their proper roles, as we no longer need them so much as lead-negotiators, researchers can do their research, the standard of care for pain evolves, and the patients and their lawyers will refer to it.
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Re: Should Alcohol Abusers Not be Treated for Pain?

Thanks monk,
The validation was for me, for my mind and heart my friend. There was nothing dignified or ethical about the way our mothers suffered and died. Just wish I knew then what I know now. I know both of our mothers would be proud of the work we are engaged in, both activists in their own way. Justice will come, posthumously, sadly that may include us. You know I love you too....

Alex wrote:

Huh!? So a person with alcohol abuse (like, 5-10 percent of the population by the usual criteria), who suffers severe chronic pain for which no other treatment has worked, should be left to writhe in preventable pain (and very likely drink more), by his physicians? Madness. Unbelievable. And very NOT the medical standard of care.


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Alex wrote:

Doesn't matter anymore if they understand or not, or what the eff they intended, or how dissembling they are in their journal articles, or how ineffectual their laws. Basta! (enough)

We'll See Them in Court, MB. (and in hell)

Darkness before dawn Alex, I get it too now. Thank you.


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STORMCAT06 wrote:

Awesome post Alex! Im curious as this question isnt asked too often.. When a patient is actively addicted to alcohol (or any substance for that matter) and I mean physically what is the protocol for treating his/her pain? Do you first detox them off the other substances before beginning opioid treatment? Or start immediately treating their pain while detoxing? do you just follow the standard urinalysis and pill counts afterwords? Just curious.. Thanks Alex

I wanted to add one more question Alex. What if the patient is self medicating their pain with an "illicit" opiate such as heroin? Do you just titrate with something comparable or how does that work?

Hi, Jon.  Great question.  I know I read somewhere in here that alcoholics and addicts can be safely treated with opiates for pain, but can't remember where.  I don't think it was explained how it's done though.  I had someone ask me this question, so I'd like to know, also.  Thanks for bringing it up.

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Re: Should Alcohol Abusers Not be Treated for Pain?

Hey, thanks for questioning posts and questions posted.

Look, obviously caring for complicated human beings can be complicated. -sheesh!- Some of us docs had skills at the corner of Addiction and Pain... I like to think I did, back when I was in practice.

THAT'S WHY YOU PAY US THE BIG BUCKS - BECAUSE IT IS DIFFICULT, GET IT?? And yes, that is exactly why and how come you can call us to account, legally and ethically, for malpractice.

(And anyway, please also understand that being a lousy doctor is NOT a violation of the Controlled Substances Act, and is NOT otherwise a federal "crime." Specifically, malpractice is a civil offense, not a federal crime - applying drug-war criminal statues against physicians does not do anyone any collective good.)

Obviously, managing complicated cases of chronic pain is more difficult than managing simpler cases of chronic pain. JESUS GOD, but that can't end up meaning that the more complicated cases are LESS DESERVING than the simpler ones! Does everybody really get this? If not please, sincerely, ask, and I will labor to explain it because it is FUCKING IMPORTANT.

"Risk" doesn't mean professionals go belly up. My God, RISK is why we HAVE professionals in the first place! How is this not obvious?

Have you all gone mad? Or are you just drug-war addled and confused?


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Re: Should Alcohol Abusers Not be Treated for Pain?

I'm sorry - I'm tired and did not really answer the questions asked.

Specifically, I was asked exactly how does a doc manage an alcohol or drug abuser who also has chronic pain and needs (potentially abuse-able) opioid drugs.

And the short answer is "very carefully", obviously and un-satisfyingly. The more mundane and fuller answer is very boring. It involves expertise, experience and the willingness to do whatever you professionally can to help.

I do not know how to better answer in a few words/paragraphs. But I do respect the questions and the question-er's.

So, I guess I'll make like the Magic-Eight-Ball, and simply say:

"Ask again."

Hope I didn't/don't sound too harsh/bitter, but if I did/do, it's because I am/am.

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Re: Should Alcohol Abusers Not be Treated for Pain?

STORMCAT06 wrote:

I wanted to add one more question Alex. What if the patient is self medicating their pain with an "illicit" opiate such as heroin? Do you just titrate with something comparable or how does that work?

Excellent, and to a nerd like me interesting, technical question, Jon.

If the patient presents as a pain patient self-medicating on illicit opioids, then the procedure is really indistinguishable from any other titration to analgesic effect. That is, the truth will come out in the wash, medically speaking (that is, if the law actually allowed for a normal medical process to play out, which it doesn't). Doc proceeds to prescribe opioids, expecting decreasing illicit opioid use if, in fact, pain was the underlying cause of the initial illicit use.

On the other hand, a patient might present as having been on opioid therapy for chronic pain in the past (or currently) AND is also using illicit opioids. And while other MD's would disagree with me, as they would the preceding paragraph, I'd still do the same damn opioid titration to effect, again as BOTH a diagnostic and therapeutic trial, if you get what I mean.

But you understand the nuances of any given doc-patient relationship overwhelm these cartoon'ish paragraphs. I am just reducing complexity, drastically, to make a point. I totally cop to this, Jon.

Given that, I am saying that a simple titration to analgesic effect, which is the medical standard of care for pain, would in the normal course of medical relations (never happens in pain management) serve to guide the well-intentioned and knowledgeable physician to the right course of action, in most cases.

Great question! Did I even sort of answer it?? -smile-


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Docalex,

I am not a doctor, but I wholeheartedly agree with you that people with a history of and/or current problems with "substance abuse", ( a term I loathe using because of the ways in which it has been exaggerated and perverted), should not be denied access to opiod medications.  As you said, they may need to be monitored more closely, but they do not deserve to suffer needlessly.

An anecdote from my own life.  My best friend's brother Ken, is a black-out alcoholic who will struggle to stay sober for the rest of his life, but has been doing well for the past few years.  Some time ago, Ken shattered his ankle in an accident.  The first reconstruction was botched and even after the ankle was re-pinned and repaired as much as possible, Ken was left with bone on bone pain.  He gets two measly 5/500 Vicodin a day from the one doctor in the area who is willing to give him anything other than ibuprofen.  We are all pathetically grateful to Dr. G. and as you advise, ever so worshipful of him and careful to keep him happy. Ken's problem is alcohol, but that problem is in his medical records.  Should Dr. G. leave, or perhaps have a sudden change of mind, no one else would give Ken anything.

Pain is pain.  It doesn't hurt Ken any less because of his history of alcoholism.
He suffers a lot and he cannot get nearly what he needs to adequately treat his pain.
How sad that that makes him pretty much the same as most other chronic pain patients, regardless of history.

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STORMCAT06 wrote:

Hey Alex,

Thanks for the response and opening this topic up. I know this is a very tough topic to get involved with. Its one of those questions where you really do have to choose which side of the fence your on. I have played with the question for some time as this is a real issue for some folks. I do want to say before I presented it too you I did my research and could not find squat. I went to ASAM and the APF (as a starting point) in hopes to find some answers to no avail.  I did however find a ton of information on Buprenorphine.. Buprenex(III) may very well be a good for maintenance purposes but I think it has very little use for pain control. I guess I dont wanna totally rule it off but its basically the same drug as Stadol(IV butorphanol tartrate) in they both have a rather low ceiling... Damn Antagonists LOL! Funny how the DEA classed these two drugs isnt it?

While you and I, Jon, are in agreement about almost everything regarding opioids, pain, substance abuse, the war on docs, and so on, I think you are dead wrong, as in completely wrong, about buprenorphine.

Buprenorphine is an analgesic "partial agonist" opioid approved for pain for well over a decade (more like several decades) and which has been re-incarnated as a treatment for opioid addiction only recently. Buprenorphine as Subutex, which is 2mg sublingual tablets of bup is what I take for my chronic pain. I use it as both my chronic and breakthrough medication. Three times a day I decide if I need 1 or 2 tablets and on this therapy my requirements are slowly decreasing and I went from 180 pills to 150 a month this month, voluntarily, as in I suggested the decrease! (Suboxone is the formulation of buprenorphine used in office based opioid therapy (OBOT), and is the same 2mg of bup plus naloxone, a pure antagonist that is not absorbed orally or sublingually, to prevent IV injection).

Buprenorphine has nothing to do with Stadol, which was also a good analgesic drug for some people in some situations, but which did have side effects (mostly it caused temporary psychotic reactions in more than a few people) that gave it a bad name. And there is not much use for Stadol anymore because there are so many other safer, potent, rapid onset alternatives. But remember, Jon, there was a time before there was a fentanyl lollipop. Twenty years ago we did not have a whole lot of very rapidly acting opioids that did not require an injection. Stadol nasal spray was a very important medication in its time - it definitely covered an important niche. Demerol similarly is more toxic than most opioids, and is therefore mostly useless, but damn it, it is what works best for some people. So these are drugs I'd never start a new patient on, but are drugs I might consider keeping the rare patient on. My point is that I reject blanket rejection of these opioid chemicals. They are not, in fact, all bad.

But anyway, Jon, Stadol is a mixed agonist-antagonist, which is different than a partial agonist like buprenorphine, and different again from a full (though admittedly weird) agonist like Demerol, which is different from the run-of-the-mill opioids like morphine. And after all those differences, every individual reacts differently from anyone else to each of the different drugs. So it is a crap shoot, on an individual level. But the vast majority of everybody that ever took any of these drugs for pain did well on them. Even dirty old Stadol helped WAY MORE people than it hurt. And again, buprenorphine has nothing to do with Stadol - the side effect profiles are entirely different. Apples and Oranges, bro.

Buprenorphine (as a transdermal patch) is like the most used opioid for chronic pain, cancer pain or not cancer pain, in Europe. They find very effective for even severe pain. They report that there is no ceiling effect for analgesia, but there is a ceiling effect for respiratory depression (overdose). Further, there is evidence that buprenorphine may lack or reverse the "hyperalgesic" effects of pure mu agonists. So Jon, this is a very, very good drug, not a bad drug.

Here is a very recent discussion from the Pallimed blog about buprenorphine for pain (and my several typically verbose Comments) to bring you up to date: Buprenorphine for Everything and Everyone which discusses recent big studies out of Europe. And part of this discussion is that there are a lot of myths and wisdom based on theory-sans-experience in America, which has lead to just a whole lot of just plain wrong ideas about everything related to buprenorphine, which is a shame, 'cause it's a really good medication.

My pre-Subutex, pre-OBOT, circa 2001 experience as a doc treating heroin addicts who also had chronic pain (and over half a decade before I became a chronic pain patient myself or ever took the stuff): Buprenorphine for Combined Pain and Heroin Dependence - which is just my experience with four patients, but you might be interested.


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STORMCAT06 wrote:

Wow! You really gave me something to chew on this time! thumb How did I miss your paper on "Buprenorphine for Combined Pain and Heroin Dependence"?! This article definitely answered the part of my question in regards to the CPP using heroin. Give me a little time to make a half way decent response to the rest of your post.

Not to get too personal, but what is your pain condition that you are using Buprenex to treat?

It's OK.

I have bulging discs L4-5-S1 with severe radiating symptoms (pain, can't walk) in the past (a lot) and occasionally (I have like 3 really bad days a month, lately, knock wood). The chronic back pain is what has most dramatically improved on buprenorphine.

Then 2003-2004 I was treated for hep C with interferon and ribavirin for six month. Totally successful in that I am completely virus-free almost 5 years later, but it made me very sick and changed me in a number of ways, apparently permanently. Specifically I developed what my doc calls either a hep-c related pain syndrome, or an interferon related pain syndrome --- regardless of the cause, the end result is like a moderately severe fibromyalgia syndrome, with odd pains (sometimes really bad, but usually just constantly annoying and limiting) mostly in my shoulders and also weird, in that docs can't explain it, really bad shin splints and leg cramps that wake me up every 3 hours, only at night, only when I'm trying to sleep. Go figure.

That's it, physically, for me. That's what the buprenorphine is for.

I also take Marinol, initially started for "immunosuppression-induced weight loss" (I lost 40 pounds on interferon, and another 10 since being off it - I'm literally at my high-school weight, and I was tall and skinny in high school --- this is not good). And while it doesn't seem to have helped me gain weight (I have an eating disorder too - let's just not go into that now), but it does markedly help me with depression, anxiety, and sleep problems. So on Marinol I got off all the antidepressants and ambien I used to be on, and now only take Klonopin once a day at bedtime. And the Marinol works synergistically with the buprenorphine for pain. So I continue on it.

Those are my main meds now, and the bup dose required seems to be decreasing and I seem to be getting better and better, in general, slowly. Exercise helps tremendously, especially with the fibro symptoms. The more you move the less pain you have, period, is my personal experience. I think being on quite adequate doses of buprenorphine for over a year is slowly giving me the confidence to move more, exercise more, which helps me eat, and feel better, and have less pain, and need less opioids. This is the way opioid therapy is supposed to work. I am very fortunate.


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Re: Should Alcohol Abusers Not be Treated for Pain?

STORMCAT06 wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buprenorphine
Buprenorphine is an opioid drug with partial agonist and antagonist actions... In the USA, it has been a Schedule III drug under the United Nations' Convention on Psychotropic Substances[1] since it was rescheduled from Schedule V (the schedule with the lowest restrictions and penalties in the USA) just before FDA approval of Suboxone and Subutex. In the recent years, buprenorphine has been introduced in most European countries as a transdermal formulation ("patch") for the treatment of chronic pain.
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OK, I have some conflicting information here. I pulled this one from wiki as it was the easiest, but I can if you would like get more links calling it as having antagonist properties. This is why I grouped buprenex and stadol together if you follow me.

Correct. Buprenorphine is a mu agonist, and a kappa antagonist. The PDR classifies it exactly as it does Stadol, and that is part of the confusion here. I, and others, refer to buprenorphine as a 'partial agonist' because it is shorter than "partial agonist, partial antagonist" which is current PDR terminology, but mostly in order to distinguish it from butorphanol, pentazocine (Stadol) and nalbuphine, all of which are also variously referred to as "agonist/antagonist" drugs, and as "partial agonist, partial antagonist" in the PDR. From the PDR for Stadol:

Opioid agonist-antagonist analgesic; has activity at receptors of mu-opioid type, and agonist at kappa-opioid receptors. (emphasis mine)

That is the crucial difference, Jon - that these "agonist/antagonist" drugs were also partial kappa agonists, whereas buprenorphine is a kappa antagonist. Sticking with Wikipedia for the moment:

It is now widely accepted that κ-opioid receptor (partial) agonists have hallucinogenic ("psychotomimetic") effects, as exemplified by salvinorin A. These effects are generally undesirable in medicinal drugs and could have had frightening or disturbing effects in the tested humans. It is thought that the hallucinogenic effects of drugs such as butorphanol, nalbuphine, and pentazocine serve to limit their opiate abuse potential...

Stadol and buprenorphine can both be called agonist/antagonists, but the various opioid receptors being (partially) reinforced or (partially) blocked are different. Complex stuff and lousy terminology. Buprenorphine is a kappa antagonist, and therefore DOES NOT CAUSE the scary hallucinogenic/temporary psychosis inducing side effects, which affected a minority of patients, but which makes partial kappa agonists like Stadol of not much medical use when we have so many alternatives.

OK, have we beat this horse to death yet? -smile-

Alex wrote:
"Demerol similarly is more toxic than most opioids, and is therefore mostly useless, but damn it, it is what works best for some people. So these are drugs I'd never start a new patient on, but are drugs I might consider keeping the rare patient on. My point is that I reject blanket rejection of these opioid chemicals. They are not, in fact, all bad."

John replied:
normeperidine a metabolite of Demerol, is a CNS stimulant than can produce anxiety, tremors, myoclonus, and generalized seizures. CNS excitation is not reversed with naloxone; normeperidine's half-life is 15-20 hr, compared to 3 hr for meperidine. Its because of this I take an issue with Demerol. I cant help it but think at higher doses (example post op pain control) some of this might happen. I have seen a few accounts of demerol being used liberally and not doing what it should be, myself included. On the flipside of the coin I believe Tami just posted(thanks Tami!) an article talking about how Anesthesia may be making post op pain more intense.  So perhaps because of this my fundamental thinking on demerol is flawed?

Look, I said it was what worked for some patients. I also said it was not a good drug for chronic pain because of the long-acting, and accumulating, toxic metabolites you referred to. But Jon, for some migraine patients one shot of Demerol works better than anything else (and anything else for migraines also has toxicity). My point is, though everything you say is true, I submit that Demerol is a very safe and effective drug for very short term use. But I won't get in a fight about it - there are better meds and I've never prescribed it since residency when it was very popular for in hospital use. It should not be anymore - simply an array of safer drugs are available. Except for that migraine patient. Which is why Demerol should be understood, not demonized.

STORMCAT06 wrote:

Hell yes I found that interesting Alex!(thanks!) It really answered my orginal question/curiosity about how to treat a heroin user with CP in depth.  When it comes to Buprenex (no naloxone) I used it a few years back when I wasnt getting any pain control and found it ineffective. But, It sounds like from your article I wasnt using the correct dose.

Not sure why the doses we used in the old days were so low, except that that is what the PDR suggests for Buprenex. Then the same molecule comes along as Subutex and Suboxone, and the dose range expanded and went way higher. Interesting. I wondered about that back in 2001, still can't explain. Go figure.

STORMCAT06 wrote:

I would at some point (legally) like to try it again and see if it could help me. Reason why? If it did work for me I think I would have a little easier time of having it Rx'd to me for my own pain issues. Do Doc's have to have a special license to Rx this stuff for pain control? Although, I would be too much of a chicken to ask for subtex or suboxone because of the stigma of "drug addiction treatment" that might be associated with it. I hope you dont feel im wasting your time or I am offending you. This seriously is an interesting topic for me besides the educational factor im getting out of it. Thanks Alex, I really appreciate this.

Absolutely NO added licensure beyond a standard DEA license is required to prescribe buprenorphine for pain. Read the comments of the Pallimed link I gave you earlier in this thread. Too much to type out again here, but that is the basic truth. Any doc with DEA can prescribe bup for pain, though many docs and pharmacists and net-know-it-alls will swear otherwise. They are wrong. Tell them to just call the DEA and check for themselves.


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